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Parents Against Gun Violence Calls Me Name, Deletes and Bans Me

I am a parent and I am against gun violence, so I “liked” the Facebook page of Parents Against Gun Violence. I saw a recent post that I thought was worth reading, in part because it seemed a bit dismissive in the way it paraphrased reasons people used guns and selected only the worst possible scenarios to profile.

Parents Against Gun Violence Original Post

I noticed a comment by someone who was trying to argue that accidental gun deaths are rare and decreasing. The PAGV Facebooker responded not only with information, but also dismissive comments like “Got any more wrong assertions you want to throw around?” and “Your talking points are coming directly from the NSSF, by the way” and “The gun magazines like the one you are citing are using data from the NSSF, which conveniently lies.

I hate this kind of holier-than-thou dismissiveness, so I jumped in with my own comments. I will post the screen shots below, but the bottom line is trying to engage PAGV in a “reasonable,” civilized discussion of the data on accidental gun deaths resulted in my being BANNED from commenting on their page, my comments being DELETED, and and my being called a “DIPSHIT” by their Facebooker.

The Facebooker had made a good point about the CDC changing their coding of accidents, so it is unfortunate that s/he did not care to continue our conversation.

The way the situation was handled, however, obviously raises questions about their morality and motives, not to mention the quality of their conversational skills.

“BEFORE” SCREEN CAP, WITH ONE OF MY COMMENTS AND THEIR RESPONSE CALLING ME A “DIPSHIT”:

Parents Against Gun Violence Dipshit

“AFTER” SCREENCAP IN WHICH THEY HAVE SANITIZED THEIR PAGE OF MY COMMENTS, THOUGH IT NOW LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE CALLING THEMSELVES “DISPSHIT”:

Parents Against Gun Violence Banned

LONGER EXCERPTS OF THE CONVERSATION. THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTAL GUN DEATHS AND PAGV MENTIONED DGUs SO I POINTED OUT THAT IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE TO START.

I ALSO REFERENCE A POLITIFACT COLUMN IN WHICH THEY FACT CHECK A 2013 STATEMENT BY WAYNE LAPIERRE:  “Teaching safe and responsible gun ownership works, and the NRA has a long and proud history of doing exactly that. Our Eddie Eagle Child Safety Program has taught 25 million young people that if they see a gun, they should do four things: stop, don’t touch it, leave the area, and call an adult. As a result of this and other private-sector programs, fatal firearms accidents are at the lowest level in 100 years.” POLITIFACT FOUND THAT BOTH PARTS OF THIS STATEMENT — FATAL FIREARMS ACCIDENTS ARE AT THE LOWEST LEVEL IN 100 YEARS” AND THAT EDDIE EAGLE HELPED WERE TRUE. (THEIR OVERALL RATING OF HALF-TRUE DID NOT APPLY TO THESE TO POINTS.)

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4 thoughts on “Parents Against Gun Violence Calls Me Name, Deletes and Bans Me

  1. That’s not too surprising, given that all those Facebook pages are groups of likeminded people who are in the Facebook group more for support than to engage in interesting debates. That’s why they call those “Facebook bubbles”. At least they didn’t say you should be shot, a tactic I’ve seen some Facebook group members engage in without seeming to notice how they embody the very thing they dislike about their ideological opponent. Also, some research (e.g. Dan Kahan) shows that people’s ability to understand data seems to decrease when the data is on an issue they feel strongly about (e.g., guns).

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  2. Excellent job. 🙂 But you’re trying to argue facts with a group not interested in facts at all – they’re solely interested in furthering the collective agenda.

    My approach now is different – start on the ground where you (should) agree (some won’t agree even on the must fundamental of issues anymore, but that’s a different problem all itself). We all agree that when kids die, it is tragic, outrageous, horrible, and we need to do something. My solution is education: teach parents that texting and driving endangers their kids; teach parents that unattended swimming pools can take innocent lives; teach parents that unattended firearms/knives/chainsaws/prescription medication/washer fluid/paint/alcohol is a complete lack of responsibility and can cost a child’s life. Let’s win this on the education front, since, after all, yet another government regulation of something is not the answer. My $0.02. Keep up the great work.

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  3. I don’t think that your experience is unique. I’ve seen this type of behavior before, and I think it’s why many pro-gun folks have given up on being polite with these people.

    Keep up your good work.

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