I am a parent and I am against gun violence, so I “liked” the Facebook page of Parents Against Gun Violence. I saw a recent post that I thought was worth reading, in part because it seemed a bit dismissive in the way it paraphrased reasons people used guns and selected only the worst possible scenarios to profile.
I noticed a comment by someone who was trying to argue that accidental gun deaths are rare and decreasing. The PAGV Facebooker responded not only with information, but also dismissive comments like “Got any more wrong assertions you want to throw around?” and “Your talking points are coming directly from the NSSF, by the way” and “The gun magazines like the one you are citing are using data from the NSSF, which conveniently lies.”
I hate this kind of holier-than-thou dismissiveness, so I jumped in with my own comments. I will post the screen shots below, but the bottom line is trying to engage PAGV in a “reasonable,” civilized discussion of the data on accidental gun deaths resulted in my being BANNED from commenting on their page, my comments being DELETED, and and my being called a “DIPSHIT” by their Facebooker.
The Facebooker had made a good point about the CDC changing their coding of accidents, so it is unfortunate that s/he did not care to continue our conversation.
The way the situation was handled, however, obviously raises questions about their morality and motives, not to mention the quality of their conversational skills.
“BEFORE” SCREEN CAP, WITH ONE OF MY COMMENTS AND THEIR RESPONSE CALLING ME A “DIPSHIT”:
“AFTER” SCREENCAP IN WHICH THEY HAVE SANITIZED THEIR PAGE OF MY COMMENTS, THOUGH IT NOW LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE CALLING THEMSELVES “DISPSHIT”:
LONGER EXCERPTS OF THE CONVERSATION. THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTAL GUN DEATHS AND PAGV MENTIONED DGUs SO I POINTED OUT THAT IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE TO START.
I ALSO REFERENCE A POLITIFACT COLUMN IN WHICH THEY FACT CHECK A 2013 STATEMENT BY WAYNE LAPIERRE: “Teaching safe and responsible gun ownership works, and the NRA has a long and proud history of doing exactly that. Our Eddie Eagle Child Safety Program has taught 25 million young people that if they see a gun, they should do four things: stop, don’t touch it, leave the area, and call an adult. As a result of this and other private-sector programs, fatal firearms accidents are at the lowest level in 100 years.” POLITIFACT FOUND THAT BOTH PARTS OF THIS STATEMENT — FATAL FIREARMS ACCIDENTS ARE AT THE LOWEST LEVEL IN 100 YEARS” AND THAT EDDIE EAGLE HELPED WERE TRUE. (THEIR OVERALL RATING OF HALF-TRUE DID NOT APPLY TO THESE TO POINTS.)